In the case of work, it’s uncomplicated to specialize within the discontinuance to duration of time: the following meeting, project, promotion. The worldwide pandemic pushed many of us even further into heads-down mode. Nonetheless Dorie Clark, author of the e-book The Long Game: Tricks on how to Be a Long-Period of time Thinker in a Momentary World, wants all people to step relieve, seize a breath, and birth thinking longer duration of time about what you in point of fact are attempting to attain and get out how to progress towards these dreams. She provides recommendation on get out how to brush apart social media distractions, balance priorities, domesticate patience, and plot the excellent strategic choices. Clark also wrote the HBR article “Feeling Caught or Stymied.”
ALISON BEARD: Welcome to the HBR IdeaCast from Harvard Alternate Review. I’m Alison Beard.
In the case of profession, it’s uncomplicated to specialize within the discontinuance to duration of time, the following meeting, project, promotion. The worldwide pandemic forced us into even shorter-duration of time thinking. We bear been all triaging work and lifestyles to plot it via, which led many of us to burn out. Heaps of of us even quit their jobs. Our visitor on the present time wants all people to step relieve and seize a breath. She argues that it’s steadily an correct time to get long-duration of time profession dreams, what you in point of fact are attempting to attain, and how ultimate to progress towards these dreams.
Nonetheless it’s namely treasured now as we determine what the novel same old goes to stare adore. Perchance you’ve realized you don’t adore the work you’re doing. Perchance you attain assume you’re on the excellent direction, however don’t no doubt feel a lot like you’re progressing rapid sufficient towards the C-suite or whatever your higher aspirations are. For all people out there feeling puzzled about what they prefer and get out how to get there, this episode is for you.
Dorie Clark is a specialist who teaches executive training courses at Duke College in Columbia Alternate College. She’s the author of the e-book, The Long Game: Tricks on how to Be a Long-Period of time Thinker in a Short-Period of time World and the HBR article Feeling Caught or Stymied? Now’s the time to get your profession with strategic patience. Dorie, so angry to talk with you on the present time.
DORIE CLARK: How is it? It’s astronomical to be right here.
ALISON BEARD: So first, I in point of fact must inquire of the knowledgeable on thinking long duration of time, attain you battle yourself with attempting to balance non everlasting initiatives, emergencies along with your better profession dreams, namely excellent now?
DORIE CLARK: Effectively, I’ll expose you, I in point of fact bear by no device been correct at medium-duration of time thinking. That’s steadily the subtle portion. Nonetheless for long-duration of time thinking, what I in point of fact get extremely freeing, I are attempting to be preaching this gospel, is that if your dreams are long sufficient, within the event you bear 10-year dreams, 20-year dreams, the amazing ingredient is you don’t must know how you’re going to operate them.
Individuals normally get freaked out because they are saying, “Oh, however I’m able to’t assume that long-duration of time. I correct wouldn’t even know the set apart to birth. I wouldn’t know get out how to blueprint that out.” Of direction, you don’t. The purpose is it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance construct a direction that you simply’re aiming towards, and you’ve got loads of time to determine get out how to get there. So I’m correct with the 10 and 20-year dreams. I mumble, carry it on.
ALISON BEARD: It feels though adore there’s a lot of impatience excellent now. Either of us prefer out of their jobs right this moment, or they’re attempting to get relieve to same old relieve on that upward profession music right this moment. So what recommendation are you giving of us on the present time?
DORIE CLARK: Effectively, you’re precisely excellent. I imply, for the previous 18 months, all people has been caught interior and stymied in many programs which potential of COVID. This has been a duration better than regular, the set apart we’ve been forced into reactivity. After a whereas, it does birth to no doubt feel demoralizing because in that be concerned, our agency is runt. We form of must attain what we must attain.
So it’s no doubt natural for folks to are attempting to seize relieve the reins in some potential. I assume that’s relevant. We attain must reclaim our autonomy for our contain psychological properly-being and likewise because… The actual fact is it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance ultimate be reactive see you later. We want to birth surroundings obvious intentions for ourselves, I imply, within the waste, so long as we’re cognizant that, yeah, issues are possibly now not going to play out precisely the potential we prefer or with precisely the timing that we prefer, it is a astronomical realizing for us to birth striking a stake within the bottom and asserting, “All excellent, right here’s what I’m working towards. That is the one-year blueprint, the five-year blueprint, the 10-year blueprint.”
We might moreover moreover be nimble, however we might moreover moreover contrivance a imaginative and prescient. So long as we’re working towards it, it no doubt provides us relieve about a of the sense of withhold a watch on that so many of us bear been lacking all over the pandemic.
ALISON BEARD: So as that’s what you’re advocating for this form of 1-year blueprint, five-year blueprint, 10-year blueprint, 20-year blueprint?
DORIE CLARK: Absolutely. Of direction, there’s now not magic necessarily to these numbers. We are able to give or soak up a single direction or any other. Nonetheless within the waste, it’s , the set apart attain you will must head in your lifestyles? Who attain you will must be? How attain you get that? It’s so uncomplicated for all of us to head into heads down mode and correct specialize in executing our initiatives, and that’s major normally. There are courses of time or courses in our lifestyles the set apart we attain correct must attain that, however that might’t be the correct potential that we operate. We must always be surroundings these visions and intentions for ourselves.
When we attain, it permits us to shift direction normally in runt, virtually imperceptible programs, however they’re programs that compound over time that enable us live up loads nearer to the direction that we prefer.
ALISON BEARD: We’ve heard loads in regards to the astronomical resignation. I assume a lot of of us are thinking, “Yes, I are attempting to attain that long-duration of time planning. So I must quit my job. I need time to reset.” Originate of us must attain that? Is that the excellent transfer?
DORIE CLARK: So within the event you in point of fact abominate your job, it will seemingly be the excellent transfer to recede it. Nonetheless normally, I like to signify rather of little bit of warning with these items. My first e-book modified into called Reinventing You. One of the most rules round reinvention, and I assume what holds a lot of of us relieve, frankly, is that they seize, “Oh properly, it has to be all or nothing. I need the total metaphors, excellent? I must leap off the cliff. I must seize the leap.”
These are very awful and upsetting metaphors, excellent? I wouldn’t are attempting to attain that. Who wants to leap off a cliff? I assume that there’s no doubt many of the center paths that we are able to seize so as that you simply don’t must either be cowering within the nook or leaping blindly. So I assume a lot of this applies all over the COVID or put up-COVID duration, which is that there are programs to check your hypotheses strategically so as that it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance plot strikes.
One of the most rules that I in point of fact suggest for is applying the 20% time realizing to our contain lives. So right here is one thing that about a of it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance possibly moreover bear heard about from Google, the set apart famously, they relieve their workers to allocate 20% of their time to more speculative initiatives which might perchance be outdoors their technical job description. That is how Google News modified into created. That is how Gmail modified into created. It has the aptitude to be the more or less moonshot bets that turn into one thing no doubt engaging.
And I are attempting to argue that we must always all be doing this for our contain careers. No one goes to reveal you to attain it. No one’s going to hand you this time. Nonetheless within the event you in point of fact gash it out and vigilantly guard it, the set apart you’re the usage of 20% of your time to learn about novel issues, sharpen your skills, seize a class, learn just a few novel topic, stir out and community – these are issues which might perchance be going to rearrange you for the future and enable you to plot a gentle transition to either a novel job or a novel alternate within the event it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance possibly be feeling that’s relevant.
ALISON BEARD: Google workers are attending to attain that all over the hours that Google is paying them. So for these of us who can’t seize that 20% from work who bear teens or various family commitments who are attempting to get a workout in infrequently, who must attain browsing, housekeeping, how can we plot that time?
DORIE CLARK: Yeah. So I like that caveat, Alison. In fact, correct to complicate the image worthy more, so a truly engaging ingredient about Google and 20% time, a stare no doubt suggested that even on the present time, within the firm that’s theoretically advocating this for its workers, ultimate 10% of Googlers no doubt attain it. Most effective 10% no doubt seize relieve of 20% time.
To me, that shows about a indispensable issues. Number 1, it is by no device uncomplicated, no matter what is being stated round you for folks to in point of fact face up to the slide to correct be doing their job. We bear pressures. All of us bear commitments and duties and, oh my gosh, the inbox is overflowing. I no doubt must get relieve to of us.
So right here is one thing that requires intense self-discipline and willpower, we must search that 20% time, it no doubt might moreover, in many programs, imply 120% time. This will seemingly perchance perchance also be nights and weekends, and there are tasks that folks bear, for obvious. I would also argue that there are waves in our lives and duties. There are cases when issues are correct now not that it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance assume of. Whenever you happen to’re caring for a sick relative, let’s mumble, otherwise you’ve been homeschool ing youngsters or issues adore that, it no doubt might moreover now not be that it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance assume of to attain worthy else.
Nonetheless once that 2d shifts and that 2d passes, it is serious for us to recalibrate. If we’re thinking in profession waves, we must search, “K, I could moreover bear been over-indexing on family time or whatever tasks all over this era. Now it is possibly time to jot down the balance and to focus rather of bit more on knowledgeable style and long-duration of time planning.” One of the most classics when it involves angry by profession style is the so-called Eisenhower matrix popularized by Stephen Covey, which talks in regards to the pressing versus the indispensable, and it’s steadily the indispensable that gets left within the relieve of, and carving out 20% time and no doubt making an effort to attain it is a mode of asserting to ourselves, “Glimpse, even when there are intrusions and incursions into our schedule, even when normally we’re now not ready to attain this, the 2d we’re ready, we’re going to get relieve on the horse, because right here is one thing that’s no doubt treasured and payment allocating time and sources for.”
ALISON BEARD: Yeah. I’m going to jot down my unique when my youngsters stir to college.
DORIE CLARK: That’s excellent.
ALISON BEARD: How worthy energy attain workers bear in all of this through crafting their contain jobs within their organizations and figuring out novel and various profession paths? Originate you get that the balance has shifted away from employers thanks to the upward thrust, let’s mumble, of the gig economy?
DORIE CLARK: Workers no doubt bear a lot of energy excellent now. I’m in point of fact now not obvious how long that’s going to final, however right here is a obvious 2d. Studies bear shown that wherever from 25 to practically 50% of workers on this put up-COVID or slack COVID, or however we would mumble it 2d are strongly focused on leaving their jobs. Whenever you happen to might perchance also be an employer and you undercover agent that, that’s going to devastate your skill pipeline. You might perchance’t get the money for for that to happen.
So ensuing from this truth, when an employee involves you, sooner than, you possibly held more of the cards. Now, if an employee says, “I adore working for you, however I’m no doubt thinking that I desire a elevate.” Or, “I adore working for you, however I no doubt don’t assume it’s going to work for me to attain relieve to the self-discipline of enterprise corpulent time,” it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance possibly be going to be worthy more amenable, assuming that right here is a pretty correct and valued employee to their requests.
So I assume it’s no doubt a truly irregular time the set apart within the event you’re an employee and you in point of fact adore a job properly sufficient that it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance possibly factor in staying in it, inquire of for what you will want, blueprint it out. So long as it is rather life like and rather plausible, the probabilities are excessive that your firm would now not are attempting to lose you on this 2d, and they’re going to be device more though-provoking to exceed your demand, namely knowledgeable style opportunities or an opportunity so that you simply can work on initiatives that get skills which might perchance be of issue interest to you.
ALISON BEARD: Until you will want time for a side hustle that can within the waste birth you correct into a truly various profession direction and enable you leave the group.
DORIE CLARK: It’s just they attain now not adore that. Nonetheless one in every of the issues that I steadily like to signify. There’s a Venn contrivance that we are able to assume about. If we harken relieve to junior excessive math, a Venn contrivance is two circles that overlap, and there’s this more or less magic rental the set apart the circles overlap.
If we assume about one circle as your firm and what’s in your firm’s interest and one circle as you and what’s in your pursuits, the set apart a lot of workers, I assume, frankly, stir noxious, is that for no doubt long courses of time, the 2 circles are precisely on high of every various. They subsume their needs fully to the firm, and they put out of your mind about constructing skills or abilities or networks outdoors of what their recent job requires.
That’s astronomical up till the minute it’s now not, because within the event you get laid off or if issues at your firm alternate, and impulsively, there’s a reshuffling or one thing adore that, you’ve set apart your entire eggs in a single basket, and it’s correct now not connected. Nonetheless if within the event you’re taking 20% time, within the event you’re applying it to one thing that concurrently is worthwhile to your firm now within the present 2d and to future directions that it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance possibly moreover are attempting to get above and beyond what the firm is doing, then that’s a seize for all people. That’s now not in the slightest degree unethical.
ALISON BEARD: Nonetheless what within the event you’re working for an accounting agency and your side hustle is baking?
DORIE CLARK: Yes. Some of us bear side hustles that they’re cultivating which might perchance be fully various than their day job, the relevant news in a be concerned adore that’s your accounting agency is now not going to stress in the slightest degree that it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance possibly be taking their mental property, that it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance possibly moreover seize their clients there. They’re going to be adore, “K. God velocity with the baking.”
In fact even in that be concerned, there are skills that it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance possibly moreover moreover be constructing that might enable you in both contexts.
Whenever you happen to’re starting up your contain side hustle, and let’s mumble it is baking, the literal portion of baking is now not one thing that’s going to be connected on your day job, however building relationships and connections and get out how to get properly at doing that.
Even supposing the audiences are various, the abilities about how attain you plot these connections, that’s a truly transferable skill. You’re possibly going to derive to learn more about advertising and marketing, social media. These are issues that might no doubt be worthwhile to you through figuring out what your firm is doing. So there’s normally a lot of crossover.
ALISON BEARD: You withhold declaring nights and weekends to attain all of this long-duration of time planning. Is that no doubt healthy?
DORIE CLARK: Effectively, I assume for a lot of issues, it’s a ask, what’s the balance, and how can we form of toggle relieve and forth? A realizing I discuss in The Long Game is angry by being in heads-up mode versus heads-down mode. That is a realizing I first heard about from my pal, Jared Kleinert. I loved the formulation, because I assume the set apart a lot of of us stir noxious, frankly, I imply, normally I hear from guests and fellow experts who mumble, “Oh, I’m so pissed off. I’m doing all these items, and nothing’s sticking, nothing’s working.”
You dig into it rather of bit. What you admire is definite, they’re doing their ingredient. It’s now not that they’re losing their time watching cat videos. Nonetheless the topic is that if we no doubt are attempting to attain success professionally, we must learn to now not correct attain one ingredient. For a lot of of us, they get tickled doing one ingredient, after which they correct withhold doing that ingredient, and they don’t realize they must shift.
So what I like about Jared’s formulation is that after we’re in heads-up mode, that is the time after we must always be expansive. We must always be meeting of us, talking with of us, buying for ideas, seeing what’s out there. What’s the following product project? What’s the following tall ingredient I are attempting to dive into? That’s astronomical. That’s very thrilling. It’s called form of extrovert mode. Nonetheless then we also at a obvious point, must shift into heads-down mode, which is about execution, which is about getting issues done, transferring issues forward, because if all you attain is heads-down mode, you’re possibly correct going to withhold plowing on a approach that at a obvious point might moreover stop being effective.
Nonetheless if all you attain is heads-up mode, you’re now not going to get anything done. You’re going to be this more or less irresponsible dreamer.
ALISON BEARD: What about these of us that bear their plans and are so laser-centered on the tall long-duration of time dreams that they get pissed off by their lack of progress within the instant duration of time? Your article centered on strategic patience. I loved working with you on it. So expose us rather of bit more about how you domesticate that.
DORIE CLARK: Yeah. So it’s very same old, and I’m able to completely expose that within the event it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance possibly be excessive just a few unbiased, if there’s one thing that you simply in point of fact are attempting to construct, I imply, pointless to claim you will must construct it now.
Within the waste, I assume the set apart we noxious is that we fixate normally so worthy on what the ideal unbiased is that we’re now not happy with. The truth is, we normally don’t even stare progress that’s now not actually achieving that unbiased. Nonetheless for the rationale that unbiased is expansive, it might perchance possibly perchance perchance seize a truly long time. It can perchance perchance seize years to get to that ingredient.
So we’re going to be pissed off for a truly very long time, and that’s no doubt what leads a lot of of us to give up, I assume upfront. So one approach that I discuss is buying for raindrops. What I imply by that’s that I in point of fact bear considered over and over again in my executive educating clients and the of us that I work with in my identified knowledgeable on-line community, so 600 plus of us, so I’ve considered a lot of examples of this, that after progress begins to attain, we must no doubt attune ourselves to buying for indicators of that progress. It’s virtually invisible within the origin.
When it begins to attain, it no doubt is adore a rainstorm starting up the set apart within the origin you’re adore, “Is that a raindrop? I’m able to’t no doubt expose.” After which, “Oh properly, I assume that modified into one.” It’ll moreover arrive within the invent of impulsively, adore, okay, possibly you birth to get more LinkedIn invites from strangers, and the strangers bear come what might heard about you, or they’ve heard about your work.
Perchance it’s that you simply get a pleasant reveal from a client because any individual’s starting up to no doubt treasure what you’re doing. Perchance your boss gets a reward about you from any individual, after which they stir it on and expose you. These are the minute indicators.
ALISON BEARD: It’ll moreover moreover be demanding on this digital age though within the event you undercover agent many of guests, contemporaries form of showcasing their rainstorms or tall uncover to make utilize of any other analogy. How attain you take care of that social comparison?
DORIE CLARK: Oh, it’s so demanding, and right here is completely portion of why I assume strategic patience is so indispensable for us now. I imply, pointless to claim, correct as human beings, we’re rather of bit impatient. That’s more or less hardwired into our DNA. Nonetheless social media, Instagram, the total instantaneous skill for us to check ourselves has now not helped, and it’s no doubt correct accelerated these feelings that we’ve steadily had.
So it’s uncomplicated to birth to query yourself and sweetness, “Oh my gosh, why are they getting it, and I’m now not getting it? Why is it working for them and now not for me?” I assume no doubt Alison, there’s three antidotes that I would suggest. One, as we talked about is buying for these raindrops to stare minute, runt indicators of progress, and to no doubt stare for them. One other is to in point of fact be obvious on the outset of your quest, that you simply’ve got got an inexpensive sense of what the scope is of what you’re attempting to construct.
A astronomical story, Jeff Bezos in his 2018 letter to Amazon shareholders talked just a few pal of his who hired a handstand coach. She needed to turn out to be proficient at doing a handstand in yoga. The handstand coach stated that the average individual, within the event you bear them guesstimate, they’re going to claim, “Oh, it’ll possibly seize about two weeks to get correct at doing a handstand.” The true truth is it takes six months of day after day follow to attain it.
ALISON BEARD: That would now not surprise me. It requires a lot of core strength.
DORIE CLARK: It is insane. I’ve tried to attain it, and I am abominable. So it’s a ravishing tall dedication. Nonetheless if we apply that lesson metaphorically to the relaxation of our lives, correct assume about what we envision. I imply, all people knows adore, “Steady. Steady. Success is now not in a single day.” We’ve received that portion. Nonetheless after they are saying now not in a single day, they’re thinking two weeks, and it’s six months. That is a ingredient of 12. It’s a 12X distinction.
So having a undeniable sense of the scope and the timing is steadily indispensable. Then sooner or later, I’ll correct mumble, it’s no doubt precious right here to get a solid community, now not correct of guests that get in you, which pointless to claim is serious, however namely of us which might perchance be knowledgeable about your field and your alternate and who are now not correct going to be blind cheerleaders, however are going to make sure, rooting for you and supporting you, however also that they for my portion bear a potential of, properly, what would work on this alternate, or what is an correct realizing on this context and can no doubt abet data and enable you to know. Whenever you happen to bear these ingredients, it turns correct into loads more straightforward to acknowledge to the question, is this direction now not working, or is it correct now not working but?
ALISON BEARD: One topic with long-duration of time profession planning is that it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance contrivance dreams. I are attempting to be a director. I are attempting to be CEO. Nonetheless you don’t bear withhold a watch on over that fully. These choices are in any individual else’s hands. So how attain you abet of us assume in regards to the agency that they attain bear?
DORIE CLARK: Gatekeepers are extremely demanding. Since you’re precisely excellent, there are so many jobs, professions, milestones that we’re attempting to operate that frankly are correct within the hands of obvious of us, and they’ve obvious tastes. They would perchance well a lot like you or now not a lot like you, they might perchance adore or now not adore your model or what you picture. Even within the event it’s doubtless you’ll perchance perchance possibly be objectively correct, it unruffled might moreover now not be “sufficient”.
We want to search that there are more than one paths to success. If we’re asserting, “I’m going to get a job at Apple, and that’s it. That’s the correct ingredient that can plot me tickled.” Effectively, that’s no doubt ravishing awful. You are striking a lot of energy into the hands of 1 firm and albeit possibly one individual, and it’s an effortless direction to disappointment if for some motive, which possibly has nothing to attain with you, it would now not determine.
Nonetheless as any other, what I argue is that we must always strive to be correct directionally upright on this. There are no doubt a lot of programs to plot issues work if we’re though-provoking to open up our frame. —Even supposing there’s a ingredient that you simply in point of fact are attempting to attain, a issue direction might moreover now not be excellent, a issue direction might perchance be blocked. Nonetheless there’s on the total a mode to get your potential in. Perchance you don’t get the job at Apple. Fair correct-attempting. K. Would possibly perchance you feel free working at Google? Would possibly perchance you feel free working at a plot agency that works with Apple? Would possibly perchance you feel free possibly in academia or being a journalist at a tech e-newsletter that covers Apple? There’s a lot of prospects.
ALISON BEARD: For the of us you meet who are dysfunctionally trapped into the heads down, instant duration of time, get via it, don’t are attempting to devise, don’t are attempting to get the future, what recommendation attain you give? How attain you get them to form of get away of it and get the balance excellent?
DORIE CLARK: Yeah. So you already know any realizing of alternate administration essentially is, no 1, is the person motivated sufficient to alternate? Has the topic turn out to be acute sufficient that they’re though-provoking to attain what is major? Number two, are they privy to what they are going to moreover attain to plot that alternate? Then number three, are they though-provoking to give up the advantages that they’re accruing from these behaviors and form of that mark relieve analysis.
So within the case, which I assume is, is steadily very same old amongst profitable experts of being addicted to heads-down, correct, oh, I don’t bear time for strategic thinking, there’s about a engaging issues at play. I came upon a stare from few years within the past. It modified into expansive. It modified into a 10,000-individual stare conducted by an organization called the Administration Learn Group. It stated that 97% of executives, of senior leaders stated that strategic thinking modified into the largest ingredient they might perchance be doing in present to attain the potential forward for his or her group., and but there modified into a separate stare that modified into done, and virtually the identical percentage, actually 96% of respondents in that be conscious stated they correct didn’t bear time for strategic thinking.
Two issues which might perchance be no doubt the biggest when it involves our inability to plot more time, to gash out more time for strategic thinking, one is that there is a invent of contrivance that comes from being busy, researched by Silvia Bellezza from Columbia Alternate College has shown that, namely in The US, however also in various Western cultures being considered as loopy busy no doubt signifies excessive social contrivance and that you simply’re in inquire of.
So it is a mode of both signaling to others and possibly more profoundly to ourselves that we’re needed and we’re indispensable. That is on the total a arduous ingredient to give up. The 2d ingredient is that oftentimes in knowledgeable lifestyles, in lifestyles, normally, we don’t know the solutions. We don’t no doubt know get out how to elongate sales 30%. We don’t no doubt know if I must quit my job, or if I must stop in my job, or if I must birth this novel initiative or correct put out of your mind about it for now and specialize in making the issues I’m already doing better. There’s 1,000,000 strategic questions, and we don’t know.
Fairly than going via them and going via the discomfort of that uncertainty, it always is emotionally more straightforward to correct withhold doing what we’re doing and to reveal ourselves that there’s no time for strategic thinking. So we must face these items head-on if we’re no doubt going to get previous it to the point the set apart we no doubt can gash out the white self-discipline that we’re asserting we prefer and that essentially we attain need in present to be obvious that we’re now not optimizing for the noxious issues.
ALISON BEARD: Yeah. Effectively, you’ve given us so worthy correct recommendation, attempting out hypotheses, thinking in waves, buying for raindrops. I’ll with out a doubt set apart it to make utilize of, and I am hoping our listeners will too. Dorie, thanks so worthy for being on the reveal.
DORIE CLARK: Alison, thanks. It’s astronomical to be right here.
ALISON BEARD: That’s Dorie Clark. She’s the author of the e-book, The Long Game: Tricks on how to be a Long-Tterm Thinker in a Short-Period of time World. You might perchance possibly get her article, Feeling Caught or Stymied within the September, October magazine or on hbr.org.
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